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literally speaking um and it all starts with orientation in um and it all starts with orientation in um and it all starts with orientation in the environment so the dog um for the environment so the dog um for the environment so the dog um for example comes out of Woodland and in he example comes out of Woodland and in he example comes out of Woodland and in he looks across the field they normally looks across the field they normally looks across the field they normally stop and they tend to look left right stop and they tend to look left right stop and they tend to look left right and their noses twitch their ears twitch and their noses twitch their ears twitch and their noses twitch their ears twitch they are looking is there something to they are looking is there something to they are looking is there something to hunt in the environment hunt in the environment hunt in the environment and people are pretty much unaware that and people are pretty much unaware that and people are pretty much unaware that their dogs are already in hunting mode their dogs are already in hunting mode their dogs are already in hunting mode at this stage but then if the dog is at this stage but then if the dog is at this stage but then if the dog is able to spot something interesting that able to spot something interesting that able to spot something interesting that might be huntable they go into a stalk might be huntable they go into a stalk might be huntable they go into a stalk which means they their whole posture which means they their whole posture which means they their whole posture changes if they go Arrow shaped and they changes if they go Arrow shaped and they changes if they go Arrow shaped and they are all pointed towards this animal and are all pointed towards this animal and are all pointed towards this animal and the next part of the predatory motor the next part of the predatory motor the next part of the predatory motor pattern is that they creep forward in pattern is that they creep forward in pattern is that they creep forward in orbit in order to bridge the gap between orbit in order to bridge the gap between orbit in order to bridge the gap between themselves and their prey animal in themselves and their prey animal in themselves and their prey animal in order to get really close to it before order to get really close to it before order to get really close to it before they start the chase they start the chase they start the chase and this is the moment when most dog and this is the moment when most dog and this is the moment when most dog owners realize oh gosh I'm a trouble my

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owners realize oh gosh I'm a trouble my owners realize oh gosh I'm a trouble my dog is hunting because it lies it only dog is hunting because it lies it only dog is hunting because it lies it only when that dog goes chasing but we just when that dog goes chasing but we just when that dog goes chasing but we just saw that a lot comes before that when saw that a lot comes before that when saw that a lot comes before that when the dog was still approachable for their the dog was still approachable for their the dog was still approachable for their owner owner owner um when we have the yeah we have the um when we have the yeah we have the um when we have the yeah we have the possibility to do something about this possibility to do something about this possibility to do something about this behavior behavior behavior um yeah if the dog is uh lucky let's um yeah if the dog is uh lucky let's um yeah if the dog is uh lucky let's call it lucky and able to make some prey call it lucky and able to make some prey call it lucky and able to make some prey what they next do is they grab it and what they next do is they grab it and what they next do is they grab it and they normally shake it they normally shake it they normally shake it um until the prey animal is dead and um until the prey animal is dead and um until the prey animal is dead and then they hold on to it a little longer then they hold on to it a little longer then they hold on to it a little longer and then they start to dissect and eat and then they start to dissect and eat and then they start to dissect and eat and this is where the predatory Moto and this is where the predatory Moto and this is where the predatory Moto pattern has come to a to an end pattern has come to a to an end pattern has come to a to an end that's so interesting is it always in that's so interesting is it always in that's so interesting is it always in the same sequence does it ever go out of the same sequence does it ever go out of the same sequence does it ever go out of sequence or that's just innate yeah no sequence or that's just innate yeah no sequence or that's just innate yeah no um this is the specialty about our dogs um this is the specialty about our dogs um this is the specialty about our dogs they come with a special effects no wild they come with a special effects no wild they come with a special effects no wild Predator would ever change this sequence Predator would ever change this sequence Predator would ever change this sequence but our dogs are able to perform just but our dogs are able to perform just

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but our dogs are able to perform just parts or they go random about the parts or they go random about the parts or they go random about the um about the order because they don't um about the order because they don't um about the order because they don't really need it to to make prey because really need it to to make prey because really need it to to make prey because they have their bowl full of food every they have their bowl full of food every they have their bowl full of food every day and they were also genetically day and they were also genetically day and they were also genetically engineered by us humans to show parts of engineered by us humans to show parts of engineered by us humans to show parts of this behavior in order to help us with this behavior in order to help us with this behavior in order to help us with our daily tasks for example if you are a our daily tasks for example if you are a our daily tasks for example if you are a hunter a human Hunter then you need a hunter a human Hunter then you need a hunter a human Hunter then you need a dog that is able to track a wild animal dog that is able to track a wild animal dog that is able to track a wild animal that is maybe wounded because your shot that is maybe wounded because your shot that is maybe wounded because your shot has not killed it immediately but then has not killed it immediately but then has not killed it immediately but then again you don't want them to start to again you don't want them to start to again you don't want them to start to dissect and eat the the meat because dissect and eat the the meat because dissect and eat the the meat because this is what you you want to do so we this is what you you want to do so we this is what you you want to do so we have dogs that are bred for a certain have dogs that are bred for a certain have dogs that are bred for a certain task and this makes it more easy to deal task and this makes it more easy to deal task and this makes it more easy to deal with this predatory behavior because with this predatory behavior because with this predatory behavior because they are hardwired to cooperate with us they are hardwired to cooperate with us they are hardwired to cooperate with us but on the other hand it makes it so but on the other hand it makes it so but on the other hand it makes it so hard because we have dogs that chase hard because we have dogs that chase hard because we have dogs that chase um and do not show the parts that come um and do not show the parts that come um and do not show the parts that come before that and this makes it really

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before that and this makes it really before that and this makes it really hard for the humans to to realize oh God hard for the humans to to realize oh God hard for the humans to to realize oh God I have to do something because the dog I have to do something because the dog I have to do something because the dog is already gone is already gone is already gone yeah especially like the bigger dogs yeah especially like the bigger dogs yeah especially like the bigger dogs yeah and so is that why dogs love to yeah and so is that why dogs love to yeah and so is that why dogs love to hunt and Chase so much because it's just hunt and Chase so much because it's just hunt and Chase so much because it's just innate innate innate oh there are so many factors why they oh there are so many factors why they oh there are so many factors why they laugh and Chase um a lot it is innate laugh and Chase um a lot it is innate laugh and Chase um a lot it is innate which means that it feels good for which means that it feels good for which means that it feels good for themselves it's self-rewarding themselves it's self-rewarding themselves it's self-rewarding um there are hormones and um there are hormones and um there are hormones and neurotransmitters released during the neurotransmitters released during the neurotransmitters released during the hunt hunt hunt um that feel for like for us humans like um that feel for like for us humans like um that feel for like for us humans like gambling or like doing drugs so they gambling or like doing drugs so they gambling or like doing drugs so they want to repeat this over and over again want to repeat this over and over again want to repeat this over and over again when they have experienced those nice when they have experienced those nice when they have experienced those nice feelings feelings feelings yeah and then of course it's learning yeah and then of course it's learning yeah and then of course it's learning experience experience experience um it's not only innate it's also that um it's not only innate it's also that um it's not only innate it's also that they have experience at one point oh they have experience at one point oh they have experience at one point oh this is quite fun so let's do this again this is quite fun so let's do this again this is quite fun so let's do this again it's a learning thing as well it's a learning thing as well it's a learning thing as well um yeah um yeah um yeah yeah yeah yeah wow so I mean I understood obviously wow so I mean I understood obviously wow so I mean I understood obviously there was neurological things going on

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there was neurological things going on there was neurological things going on but that it's but that it's but that it's comparable to doing drugs or gambling comparable to doing drugs or gambling comparable to doing drugs or gambling like that level that wow that's coming like that level that wow that's coming like that level that wow that's coming up against a lot to try to be like up against a lot to try to be like up against a lot to try to be like here's a treat instead oh I love that no here's a treat instead oh I love that no here's a treat instead oh I love that no no that doesn't work it's all about no that doesn't work it's all about no that doesn't work it's all about dopamine dopamine dopamine um it is a misconception that hunger um it is a misconception that hunger um it is a misconception that hunger drives predation if it was that easy we drives predation if it was that easy we drives predation if it was that easy we could just give our dogs a treat or feed could just give our dogs a treat or feed could just give our dogs a treat or feed them before our walks and then we them before our walks and then we them before our walks and then we wouldn't have that problem anymore it wouldn't have that problem anymore it wouldn't have that problem anymore it works in Wild canines when they are not works in Wild canines when they are not works in Wild canines when they are not hungry the the deer can run past and hungry the the deer can run past and hungry the the deer can run past and they don't care but in our dogs it's all they don't care but in our dogs it's all they don't care but in our dogs it's all about the fun it's all about what they about the fun it's all about what they about the fun it's all about what they have been bred to do by us we have been bred to do by us we have been bred to do by us we highlighted that so much and put so much highlighted that so much and put so much highlighted that so much and put so much um um um self-intrinsic motivation in this self-intrinsic motivation in this self-intrinsic motivation in this behavior that they can just do it over behavior that they can just do it over behavior that they can just do it over and over and over again even if they're and over and over again even if they're and over and over again even if they're not hungry or they don't know what to do not hungry or they don't know what to do not hungry or they don't know what to do when they have made prey they just stand when they have made prey they just stand when they have made prey they just stand in front of this dead animal say okay in front of this dead animal say okay

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in front of this dead animal say okay now what now what now what [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] so what is predation substitute training so what is predation substitute training so what is predation substitute training well positioned substitute training is a well positioned substitute training is a well positioned substitute training is a holistic approach to tackle predatory holistic approach to tackle predatory holistic approach to tackle predatory behavior in dogs because the normal behavior in dogs because the normal behavior in dogs because the normal approach approach approach um that are more traditional are um that are more traditional are um that are more traditional are stopping and interrupting predatory stopping and interrupting predatory stopping and interrupting predatory behavior when it happens so for example behavior when it happens so for example behavior when it happens so for example by if you if you use aversive measures by if you if you use aversive measures by if you if you use aversive measures by an e-collar by a spray color or if by an e-collar by a spray color or if by an e-collar by a spray color or if you are a positive trainer you try to do you are a positive trainer you try to do you are a positive trainer you try to do the same with a recall so also interrupt the same with a recall so also interrupt the same with a recall so also interrupt that the dog is not going into a Chase that the dog is not going into a Chase that the dog is not going into a Chase um it often doesn't work very well so um it often doesn't work very well so um it often doesn't work very well so predation substitute training is a more predation substitute training is a more predation substitute training is a more holistic approach on the whole topic holistic approach on the whole topic holistic approach on the whole topic um we aim at management and prevention um we aim at management and prevention um we aim at management and prevention which means basically lowering arousal which means basically lowering arousal which means basically lowering arousal outside because a lot of dogs outside because a lot of dogs outside because a lot of dogs um are so excited and so aroused when um are so excited and so aroused when um are so excited and so aroused when they are out and about that they cannot they are out and about that they cannot they are out and about that they cannot eat they do not have time to look back eat they do not have time to look back eat they do not have time to look back to their owner and to be honest a dog to their owner and to be honest a dog

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to their owner and to be honest a dog that does not have the time to eat or that does not have the time to eat or that does not have the time to eat or does not have the time to look back at does not have the time to look back at does not have the time to look back at you every now and then will never have you every now and then will never have you every now and then will never have the time to come back when you call them the time to come back when you call them the time to come back when you call them yeah yeah yeah um so this is the first part that we try um so this is the first part that we try um so this is the first part that we try to lower arousal and that we teach the to lower arousal and that we teach the to lower arousal and that we teach the dog to stay in touch with their owner dog to stay in touch with their owner dog to stay in touch with their owner and the second aspect is uh that we and the second aspect is uh that we and the second aspect is uh that we teach tools that a owner a dog owner can teach tools that a owner a dog owner can teach tools that a owner a dog owner can use when they come across wildlife and use when they come across wildlife and use when they come across wildlife and this does not mean interrupting this does not mean interrupting this does not mean interrupting um predatory behavior altogether but um predatory behavior altogether but um predatory behavior altogether but rather rather rather um experiencing safe parts that we just um experiencing safe parts that we just um experiencing safe parts that we just mentioned in the beginning for example mentioned in the beginning for example mentioned in the beginning for example orientation or looking at an animal orientation or looking at an animal orientation or looking at an animal um in order to so so we use these parts um in order to so so we use these parts um in order to so so we use these parts so that the dog has something to hunt in so that the dog has something to hunt in so that the dog has something to hunt in a safe way but they do not go into the a safe way but they do not go into the a safe way but they do not go into the unsafe Parts the chase the grabbed by unsafe Parts the chase the grabbed by unsafe Parts the chase the grabbed by the kill bite and because all of those the kill bite and because all of those the kill bite and because all of those stages of the predatory motor pattern stages of the predatory motor pattern stages of the predatory motor pattern are intrinsically self reinforcing for are intrinsically self reinforcing for

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are intrinsically self reinforcing for the dog and they are hardwired to the dog and they are hardwired to the dog and they are hardwired to cooperate with us they really can learn cooperate with us they really can learn cooperate with us they really can learn to show those safe Parts instead of the to show those safe Parts instead of the to show those safe Parts instead of the unsafe parts wow yeah unsafe parts wow yeah unsafe parts wow yeah um this is really amazing and when you um this is really amazing and when you um this is really amazing and when you see sometimes people don't believe it see sometimes people don't believe it see sometimes people don't believe it but then we we train their dogs to show but then we we train their dogs to show but then we we train their dogs to show those safe parts and they are they they those safe parts and they are they they those safe parts and they are they they suddenly have time to put the dog on a suddenly have time to put the dog on a suddenly have time to put the dog on a leash before they chase off because they leash before they chase off because they leash before they chase off because they have learned instead of chasing off have learned instead of chasing off have learned instead of chasing off um in the very moment when they see um in the very moment when they see um in the very moment when they see something to stand and watch a little something to stand and watch a little something to stand and watch a little longer and then you have time to to do longer and then you have time to to do longer and then you have time to to do something else with them if you're something else with them if you're something else with them if you're interested in learning more about Simone interested in learning more about Simone interested in learning more about Simone find her on Facebook and Instagram or at find her on Facebook and Instagram or at find her on Facebook and Instagram or at her website her website her website www.predation Dash www.predation Dash www.predation Dash substitute-training.com I'll link them substitute-training.com I'll link them substitute-training.com I'll link them in the show notes we'll be right back in the show notes we'll be right back in the show notes we'll be right back yeah I guess I had always thought that yeah I guess I had always thought that yeah I guess I had always thought that each step led to the next step and each step led to the next step and each step led to the next step and that's why you know again as a positive that's why you know again as a positive

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that's why you know again as a positive reinforcement and trainer I was always reinforcement and trainer I was always reinforcement and trainer I was always working on like the interrupting like working on like the interrupting like working on like the interrupting like you said or lowering the arousal yes you said or lowering the arousal yes you said or lowering the arousal yes with like engage disengage around prey with like engage disengage around prey with like engage disengage around prey animals kinds of things uh or they'll animals kinds of things uh or they'll animals kinds of things uh or they'll look at that game uh but yeah it's this look at that game uh but yeah it's this look at that game uh but yeah it's this thought that if they keep going down the thought that if they keep going down the thought that if they keep going down the sequence they're going to get to that sequence they're going to get to that sequence they're going to get to that unsafe lunge so that's that's sort of unsafe lunge so that's that's sort of unsafe lunge so that's that's sort of the incredible part to me that it won't the incredible part to me that it won't the incredible part to me that it won't necessarily yeah but maybe it makes it a necessarily yeah but maybe it makes it a necessarily yeah but maybe it makes it a little bit clearer because most people little bit clearer because most people little bit clearer because most people nowadays are familiar with the letter of nowadays are familiar with the letter of nowadays are familiar with the letter of aggression that a dog for example growls aggression that a dog for example growls aggression that a dog for example growls and if you punish the growl they skip it and if you punish the growl they skip it and if you punish the growl they skip it and they go on to snapping or buying and they go on to snapping or buying and they go on to snapping or buying immediately and it's a little bit like immediately and it's a little bit like immediately and it's a little bit like this because we try to make parts of this because we try to make parts of this because we try to make parts of this chain bigger so that they show them this chain bigger so that they show them this chain bigger so that they show them longer the aim is not to break the chain longer the aim is not to break the chain longer the aim is not to break the chain all together but to show them these all together but to show them these all together but to show them these parts long enough so that you can for parts long enough so that you can for

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parts long enough so that you can for example put a leash on your dog or example put a leash on your dog or example put a leash on your dog or redirect or let them chase a treat redirect or let them chase a treat redirect or let them chase a treat instead of a deer or something like this instead of a deer or something like this instead of a deer or something like this so it's a little bit like the ladder of so it's a little bit like the ladder of so it's a little bit like the ladder of aggression where you try to make Parts aggression where you try to make Parts aggression where you try to make Parts bigger where the dog is warning and here bigger where the dog is warning and here bigger where the dog is warning and here we don't have aggression of course we we don't have aggression of course we we don't have aggression of course we have another have another have another um yeah Behavior but still it's the same um yeah Behavior but still it's the same um yeah Behavior but still it's the same approach we try to make Parts bigger and approach we try to make Parts bigger and approach we try to make Parts bigger and other parts smaller other parts smaller other parts smaller that's really interesting so so the four that's really interesting so so the four that's really interesting so so the four aspects again are was management yes aspects again are was management yes aspects again are was management yes it's management and then the tools in it's management and then the tools in it's management and then the tools in the presence of Wildlife and then the the presence of Wildlife and then the the presence of Wildlife and then the third part is very important and a lot third part is very important and a lot third part is very important and a lot of people forget about this because it's of people forget about this because it's of people forget about this because it's games to give them an outlet for their games to give them an outlet for their games to give them an outlet for their predatory behavior that they cannot show predatory behavior that they cannot show predatory behavior that they cannot show so the dogs don't know they cannot kill so the dogs don't know they cannot kill so the dogs don't know they cannot kill a rabbit or a deer because it's a human a rabbit or a deer because it's a human a rabbit or a deer because it's a human world and we make the rules so we need world and we make the rules so we need world and we make the rules so we need to give them an outlet for those to give them an outlet for those to give them an outlet for those behaviors as well in a safe way and we

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behaviors as well in a safe way and we behaviors as well in a safe way and we try to mimic this with games that come try to mimic this with games that come try to mimic this with games that come as close to the behavior that they want as close to the behavior that they want as close to the behavior that they want to perform to perform to perform okay wow yeah and then what's the fourth okay wow yeah and then what's the fourth okay wow yeah and then what's the fourth aspect of course the fourth fourth aspect of course the fourth fourth aspect of course the fourth fourth aspect is a traditional approach you aspect is a traditional approach you aspect is a traditional approach you need to interrupt it when it happens so need to interrupt it when it happens so need to interrupt it when it happens so because because because um predation is I think the most uh um predation is I think the most uh um predation is I think the most uh difficult Behavior to tackle because it difficult Behavior to tackle because it difficult Behavior to tackle because it is so good it feels so good for the dogs is so good it feels so good for the dogs is so good it feels so good for the dogs they want to repeat it and so it happens they want to repeat it and so it happens they want to repeat it and so it happens um when you are in training with your um when you are in training with your um when you are in training with your dog it might happen that your dog goes dog it might happen that your dog goes dog it might happen that your dog goes over threshold starts to Chase and then over threshold starts to Chase and then over threshold starts to Chase and then you need a recall in place to interrupt you need a recall in place to interrupt you need a recall in place to interrupt your dog and there are special types of your dog and there are special types of your dog and there are special types of recall that are more useful than others recall that are more useful than others recall that are more useful than others when you want to recall from from from when you want to recall from from from when you want to recall from from from from a running animal and this is of from a running animal and this is of from a running animal and this is of course also a part of predation course also a part of predation course also a part of predation substitute training that you interrupt substitute training that you interrupt substitute training that you interrupt in emergency in emergency in emergency and that's your other book right rocket and that's your other book right rocket

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and that's your other book right rocket recall yeah exactly I put it in oh no recall yeah exactly I put it in oh no recall yeah exactly I put it in oh no yeah I I put one interrupter into yeah I I put one interrupter into yeah I I put one interrupter into hunting together to give at least hunting together to give at least hunting together to give at least something but the the very big something but the the very big something but the the very big um super recall that you condition um super recall that you condition um super recall that you condition really thoroughly I put in a separate really thoroughly I put in a separate really thoroughly I put in a separate book book book um because I thought a lot of people who um because I thought a lot of people who um because I thought a lot of people who do not have predatory dogs still want a do not have predatory dogs still want a do not have predatory dogs still want a very good absolutely fall so yeah they very good absolutely fall so yeah they very good absolutely fall so yeah they don't have to go through the whole don't have to go through the whole don't have to go through the whole protocol so I put this in a separate protocol so I put this in a separate protocol so I put this in a separate book yeah yeah that's usually pretty book yeah yeah that's usually pretty book yeah yeah that's usually pretty high on people's requests but it it is high on people's requests but it it is high on people's requests but it it is interesting people don't often realize interesting people don't often realize interesting people don't often realize that one of the reasons your dog isn't that one of the reasons your dog isn't that one of the reasons your dog isn't recalling sometimes is that they're recalling sometimes is that they're recalling sometimes is that they're distracted Yeah by something like a distracted Yeah by something like a distracted Yeah by something like a squirrel or you know a hamburger on the squirrel or you know a hamburger on the squirrel or you know a hamburger on the ground or whatever that's not predatory ground or whatever that's not predatory ground or whatever that's not predatory that's Scavenging but yeah but still that's Scavenging but yeah but still that's Scavenging but yeah but still yeah it can be basically anything yeah it can be basically anything yeah it can be basically anything um and this is why it makes sense to to um and this is why it makes sense to to um and this is why it makes sense to to Outsource it to another book yeah and I Outsource it to another book yeah and I

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Outsource it to another book yeah and I love that it's meeting this part of that love that it's meeting this part of that love that it's meeting this part of that dog's needs so that it's going to be dog's needs so that it's going to be dog's needs so that it's going to be easier to interrupt I bet exactly yeah easier to interrupt I bet exactly yeah easier to interrupt I bet exactly yeah yeah and can all dogs learn it yeah and can all dogs learn it yeah and can all dogs learn it yes definitely all dogs can learn it um yes definitely all dogs can learn it um yes definitely all dogs can learn it um it's sometimes really hard when people it's sometimes really hard when people it's sometimes really hard when people say oh yeah you do this with a dog XYZ say oh yeah you do this with a dog XYZ say oh yeah you do this with a dog XYZ but you cannot do it with this breed and but you cannot do it with this breed and but you cannot do it with this breed and oh no it's not true because oh no it's not true because oh no it's not true because um every dog can learn it and every dog um every dog can learn it and every dog um every dog can learn it and every dog can at least have some success it's not can at least have some success it's not can at least have some success it's not a promise that I can give you that at a promise that I can give you that at a promise that I can give you that at the end of the book and at the end of the end of the book and at the end of the end of the book and at the end of the training program you will be able to the training program you will be able to the training program you will be able to unleash your dog in every situation and unleash your dog in every situation and unleash your dog in every situation and poo whatever but poo whatever but poo whatever but um there are some achievements that um there are some achievements that um there are some achievements that every dog can learn even if you had every dog can learn even if you had every dog can learn even if you had predatory success before that predatory success before that predatory success before that um yeah so so give it a try it is it um yeah so so give it a try it is it um yeah so so give it a try it is it might be worthwhile yeah I love that you might be worthwhile yeah I love that you might be worthwhile yeah I love that you said that I I say the same thing to my said that I I say the same thing to my said that I I say the same thing to my clients we should be able to make clients we should be able to make clients we should be able to make measurable progress we can't promise you measurable progress we can't promise you

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measurable progress we can't promise you know a specific outcome for any know a specific outcome for any know a specific outcome for any particular dog but you should see some particular dog but you should see some particular dog but you should see some progress in a direction that you can progress in a direction that you can progress in a direction that you can measure exactly yeah and when clients measure exactly yeah and when clients measure exactly yeah and when clients come with a realistic come with a realistic come with a realistic um goals and aims then there is a lot um goals and aims then there is a lot um goals and aims then there is a lot that you can achieve yeah yeah that you can achieve yeah yeah that you can achieve yeah yeah absolutely now I have heard nothing but absolutely now I have heard nothing but absolutely now I have heard nothing but good things from trainers and friends good things from trainers and friends good things from trainers and friends that have uh tried it with their dogs that have uh tried it with their dogs that have uh tried it with their dogs and I'm really excited to I want to and I'm really excited to I want to and I'm really excited to I want to understand it better before I try to try understand it better before I try to try understand it better before I try to try it with clients myself you need to learn it with clients myself you need to learn it with clients myself you need to learn it before you can teach it but uh yeah it before you can teach it but uh yeah it before you can teach it but uh yeah it's it's exciting so does the training it's it's exciting so does the training it's it's exciting so does the training look the same for every dog or do you look the same for every dog or do you look the same for every dog or do you need to are there some steps to identify need to are there some steps to identify need to are there some steps to identify how strong your dog's prey drive is and how strong your dog's prey drive is and how strong your dog's prey drive is and how you approach it does it change yeah how you approach it does it change yeah how you approach it does it change yeah definitely it changes a lot um definitely it changes a lot um definitely it changes a lot um most of the factors that make make me most of the factors that make make me most of the factors that make make me adjust the training program is because adjust the training program is because adjust the training program is because of different breeds of different breeds of different breeds um you have hunting breeds that were um you have hunting breeds that were

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um you have hunting breeds that were bred for hunting and that might need bred for hunting and that might need bred for hunting and that might need these dogs might need a full program these dogs might need a full program these dogs might need a full program with outlets and with with outlets and with with outlets and with um read specific Outlets so you cannot um read specific Outlets so you cannot um read specific Outlets so you cannot just take one game and do it with you just take one game and do it with you just take one game and do it with you can but they will not enjoy it as much can but they will not enjoy it as much can but they will not enjoy it as much for example when you have hounds they for example when you have hounds they for example when you have hounds they want to track and if you teach them to want to track and if you teach them to want to track and if you teach them to uh yeah to do something else it might be uh yeah to do something else it might be uh yeah to do something else it might be nice but it's not what they really want nice but it's not what they really want nice but it's not what they really want to do and then many people come to my or to do and then many people come to my or to do and then many people come to my or many clients come to my training and many clients come to my training and many clients come to my training and they want to they want to they want to um they have for example um they have for example um they have for example um sorry Border Collies or Australian um sorry Border Collies or Australian um sorry Border Collies or Australian shepherds herding breeds that's the shepherds herding breeds that's the shepherds herding breeds that's the right word I was searching for right word I was searching for right word I was searching for um um um and most of the time what I see in and most of the time what I see in and most of the time what I see in herding breeds is not true predatory herding breeds is not true predatory herding breeds is not true predatory behavior it's something that we call behavior it's something that we call behavior it's something that we call pseudo predation pseudo predation pseudo predation it's more that the dogs find for it's more that the dogs find for it's more that the dogs find for themselves an outlet because they have themselves an outlet because they have themselves an outlet because they have so much stress going on at home so much stress going on at home so much stress going on at home and I see this especially in those very and I see this especially in those very

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and I see this especially in those very sensitive herding breeds for example you sensitive herding breeds for example you sensitive herding breeds for example you have kids at home and the dog doesn't have kids at home and the dog doesn't have kids at home and the dog doesn't sleep enough or your dog has separation sleep enough or your dog has separation sleep enough or your dog has separation anxiety and you come home after eight anxiety and you come home after eight anxiety and you come home after eight hours of work the first thing of course hours of work the first thing of course hours of work the first thing of course you do is you go out with your dog you do is you go out with your dog you do is you go out with your dog because they want to pee and then the because they want to pee and then the because they want to pee and then the dog starts to show predatory behavior dog starts to show predatory behavior dog starts to show predatory behavior straight away and this is not because straight away and this is not because straight away and this is not because they are very predatory in by Nature they are very predatory in by Nature they are very predatory in by Nature it's because it's a release of stress it's because it's a release of stress it's because it's a release of stress because it feels nice it's like a hobby because it feels nice it's like a hobby because it feels nice it's like a hobby for them and it's like you come home for them and it's like you come home for them and it's like you come home after work it was a stressful day and after work it was a stressful day and after work it was a stressful day and you say okay now I need to you say okay now I need to you say okay now I need to take a bath or go for a run do something take a bath or go for a run do something take a bath or go for a run do something for myself for myself for myself and for those dogs normally what I first and for those dogs normally what I first and for those dogs normally what I first do is I do a background check and we try do is I do a background check and we try do is I do a background check and we try to eliminate as many stress factors in to eliminate as many stress factors in to eliminate as many stress factors in their lives as possible and then they do their lives as possible and then they do their lives as possible and then they do not need to show this immense predatory not need to show this immense predatory not need to show this immense predatory behavior anymore behavior anymore behavior anymore um um um it's amazing how meeting their needs can it's amazing how meeting their needs can

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it's amazing how meeting their needs can can resolve behaviors sometimes exactly can resolve behaviors sometimes exactly can resolve behaviors sometimes exactly yeah yeah a lot of times yeah yeah a lot of times yeah yeah a lot of times yeah that's and so herding breeds yeah that's and so herding breeds yeah that's and so herding breeds hunting dogs are there any other ones hunting dogs are there any other ones hunting dogs are there any other ones that you take sort of a different that you take sort of a different that you take sort of a different approach to approach to approach to yeah for example with yeah for example with yeah for example with um uh original breeds such as basenjis um uh original breeds such as basenjis um uh original breeds such as basenjis or I have a very nice Akita in my in my or I have a very nice Akita in my in my or I have a very nice Akita in my in my training training training um they write like to go through the um they write like to go through the um they write like to go through the whole predatory uh sequence through the whole predatory uh sequence through the whole predatory uh sequence through the whole motor pattern so we need to find whole motor pattern so we need to find whole motor pattern so we need to find outlets for them for each single stage outlets for them for each single stage outlets for them for each single stage for the killing part for the grabbing for the killing part for the grabbing for the killing part for the grabbing part because they if they were allowed part because they if they were allowed part because they if they were allowed to they would show this behavior from to they would show this behavior from to they would show this behavior from scratch to the end scratch to the end scratch to the end um whereas normally you think about um whereas normally you think about um whereas normally you think about those typical gundog breeds as being those typical gundog breeds as being those typical gundog breeds as being predatory but in fact they are not predatory but in fact they are not predatory but in fact they are not because they were bred to cooperate with because they were bred to cooperate with because they were bred to cooperate with us and if you for example have a us and if you for example have a us and if you for example have a Labrador or any other kind of uh breed Labrador or any other kind of uh breed Labrador or any other kind of uh breed that was used or bred for hunting that was used or bred for hunting that was used or bred for hunting together with us together with us together with us um it's more easier to to train them

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um it's more easier to to train them um it's more easier to to train them because they want to cooperate and they because they want to cooperate and they because they want to cooperate and they only show certain parts of the predatory only show certain parts of the predatory only show certain parts of the predatory move to a pattern because the other move to a pattern because the other move to a pattern because the other parts we don't want to have in our in parts we don't want to have in our in parts we don't want to have in our in when we go hunting with them for example when we go hunting with them for example when we go hunting with them for example the eating as I mentioned before the the eating as I mentioned before the the eating as I mentioned before the hunter does not want the dog to to start hunter does not want the dog to to start hunter does not want the dog to to start eating on the prey it's even eating on the prey it's even eating on the prey it's even um they will get um they will get um they will get dismissed from from any dismissed from from any dismissed from from any um competitions when they do yeah um competitions when they do yeah um competitions when they do yeah yeah yeah yeah interesting so will dogs stop hunting interesting so will dogs stop hunting interesting so will dogs stop hunting Wildlife after you do the training Wildlife after you do the training Wildlife after you do the training um yes and no because um yes and no because um yes and no because yeah so in fact if we really look at it yeah so in fact if we really look at it yeah so in fact if we really look at it closely from a behavior point of view closely from a behavior point of view closely from a behavior point of view um they don't they still perform um they don't they still perform um they don't they still perform predatory behavior but in a safe way for predatory behavior but in a safe way for predatory behavior but in a safe way for my clients yes they do because they only my clients yes they do because they only my clients yes they do because they only look at the chasing part and this look at the chasing part and this look at the chasing part and this doesn't show either that often or later doesn't show either that often or later doesn't show either that often or later or not all together if you start with a or not all together if you start with a or not all together if you start with a young dog young dog young dog um so for the clients they will say yeah um so for the clients they will say yeah um so for the clients they will say yeah my dog is not chasing that much he's not

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my dog is not chasing that much he's not my dog is not chasing that much he's not hunting that much but if you look at the hunting that much but if you look at the hunting that much but if you look at the behavior the dog has now learned to behavior the dog has now learned to behavior the dog has now learned to perform they are still yeah performing perform they are still yeah performing perform they are still yeah performing predatory behavior predatory behavior predatory behavior by the way this is also a reason why I by the way this is also a reason why I by the way this is also a reason why I wouldn't do this kind of training with wouldn't do this kind of training with wouldn't do this kind of training with my own pets my own pets my own pets I often get asked okay can I do this I often get asked okay can I do this I often get asked okay can I do this with my chickens that I have in the yard with my chickens that I have in the yard with my chickens that I have in the yard or can I do this with my cats or guinea or can I do this with my cats or guinea or can I do this with my cats or guinea pigs at home and I always say yeah you pigs at home and I always say yeah you pigs at home and I always say yeah you can use parts of it but it's not my can use parts of it but it's not my can use parts of it but it's not my ideal approach here I would go for a ideal approach here I would go for a ideal approach here I would go for a different approach because the dog still different approach because the dog still different approach because the dog still perceives your animals as prey yeah good perceives your animals as prey yeah good perceives your animals as prey yeah good point yeah and this is so dangerous point yeah and this is so dangerous point yeah and this is so dangerous because because because when we have our guards down and we can when we have our guards down and we can when we have our guards down and we can not be there physically and mentally 100 not be there physically and mentally 100 not be there physically and mentally 100 of the time it might go wrong again and of the time it might go wrong again and of the time it might go wrong again and this is why I normally go for a this is why I normally go for a this is why I normally go for a different approach different approach different approach yeah I'm so glad you said that yeah I'm so glad you said that yeah I'm so glad you said that absolutely absolutely absolutely that's awesome so people who want to that's awesome so people who want to that's awesome so people who want to learn more about this uh how can they

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learn more about this uh how can they learn more about this uh how can they get this information get this information get this information okay so okay so okay so um I have three books out now um I have three books out now um I have three books out now um the one that you might be most useful um the one that you might be most useful um the one that you might be most useful for what we just talked about is called for what we just talked about is called for what we just talked about is called hunting together hunting together hunting together um and the book that adds on with the um and the book that adds on with the um and the book that adds on with the recall is called Rocket recall so this recall is called Rocket recall so this recall is called Rocket recall so this gives you the basic information that you gives you the basic information that you gives you the basic information that you need to yeah to work with your dogs and need to yeah to work with your dogs and need to yeah to work with your dogs and I think for a lot of dogs this is I think for a lot of dogs this is I think for a lot of dogs this is already enough already enough already enough um yeah to to see an improvement um yeah to to see an improvement um yeah to to see an improvement um if you want to go deeper into the um if you want to go deeper into the um if you want to go deeper into the topic than I am topic than I am topic than I am um I have a self-learning course um I have a self-learning course um I have a self-learning course um that is really comprehensive and goes um that is really comprehensive and goes um that is really comprehensive and goes really deep into really deep into really deep into um into the exercises games and also um into the exercises games and also um into the exercises games and also into the theory behind it and it's into the theory behind it and it's into the theory behind it and it's available from my website available from my website available from my website that's exciting awesome that's exciting awesome that's exciting awesome and you also have an Instagram and you also have an Instagram and you also have an Instagram I'm on Instagram I'm on Facebook and oh I'm on Instagram I'm on Facebook and oh I'm on Instagram I'm on Facebook and oh I forgot to mention I forgot to mention I forgot to mention um we are going to start another round um we are going to start another round um we are going to start another round of instructor courses as well uh of instructor courses as well uh of instructor courses as well uh together with a co-trainer once a year together with a co-trainer once a year

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together with a co-trainer once a year we do in a 10 weeks instructor course we do in a 10 weeks instructor course we do in a 10 weeks instructor course for dog professionals where you really for dog professionals where you really for dog professionals where you really learn everything learn everything learn everything that's awesome that's exciting that's awesome that's exciting that's awesome that's exciting um and is it is that one alive online or um and is it is that one alive online or um and is it is that one alive online or is it self-study like the other course is it self-study like the other course is it self-study like the other course no no this is live with live sessions no no this is live with live sessions no no this is live with live sessions and you have to film yourself or with and you have to film yourself or with and you have to film yourself or with clients and then you hand it in and we clients and then you hand it in and we clients and then you hand it in and we give you feedback on what you're doing give you feedback on what you're doing give you feedback on what you're doing and so that you can modify a little bit and so that you can modify a little bit and so that you can modify a little bit for each individual dog and for each individual dog and for each individual dog and um yeah it is live and it's very very um yeah it is live and it's very very um yeah it is live and it's very very interactive I really enjoy these courses interactive I really enjoy these courses interactive I really enjoy these courses because they are so great because we because they are so great because we because they are so great because we have so many different trainers who come have so many different trainers who come have so many different trainers who come from different fields and radiation from different fields and radiation from different fields and radiation substitute training is not a set program substitute training is not a set program substitute training is not a set program to this do that it's more like to this do that it's more like to this do that it's more like influenced by all different aspects and influenced by all different aspects and influenced by all different aspects and I sometimes when I come across the new I sometimes when I come across the new I sometimes when I come across the new stuff that I haven't heard before I'm so stuff that I haven't heard before I'm so stuff that I haven't heard before I'm so excited because I think oh we can excited because I think oh we can excited because I think oh we can incorporate this into our training as

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incorporate this into our training as incorporate this into our training as well it will help with this and it will well it will help with this and it will well it will help with this and it will help with that so um it's always help with that so um it's always help with that so um it's always exciting to talk with other dog exciting to talk with other dog exciting to talk with other dog professionals about this topic yeah I I professionals about this topic yeah I I professionals about this topic yeah I I love how collaborative the industry can love how collaborative the industry can love how collaborative the industry can be yeah um yeah that's really exciting be yeah um yeah that's really exciting be yeah um yeah that's really exciting awesome well thank you so much I really awesome well thank you so much I really awesome well thank you so much I really appreciate you talking to me today thank appreciate you talking to me today thank appreciate you talking to me today thank you very very much for the invitation it you very very much for the invitation it you very very much for the invitation it was great to have to to be with you was great to have to to be with you was great to have to to be with you today today today [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you for stopping by the dojo this thank you for stopping by the dojo this thank you for stopping by the dojo this week this is your aspiring Sensei Susan week this is your aspiring Sensei Susan week this is your aspiring Sensei Susan light signing off you can find me at light signing off you can find me at light signing off you can find me at doggiedojopodcast.com or I'm susanlight doggiedojopodcast.com or I'm susanlight doggiedojopodcast.com or I'm susanlight LA on Instagram Pinterest and Facebook LA on Instagram Pinterest and Facebook LA on Instagram Pinterest and Facebook the music was written by Mac light you the music was written by Mac light you the music was written by Mac light you can find him at maclightsongwriter.com can find him at maclightsongwriter.com can find him at maclightsongwriter.com if you like the show you can support it if you like the show you can support it if you like the show you can support it by subscribing sharing it with your by subscribing sharing it with your by subscribing sharing it with your friends reading it and reviewing it on friends reading it and reviewing it on friends reading it and reviewing it on Apple podcasts just a reminder this Apple podcasts just a reminder this Apple podcasts just a reminder this podcast is intended for educational podcast is intended for educational

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